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Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

retour en arrière

English translation:

loopback

Added to glossary by RHELLER
Sep 21, 2005 19:14
18 yrs ago
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French term

retour en arrière

French to English Tech/Engineering Electronics / Elect Eng PCB design
see 2 separate examples of context
(I am using feedback for rebouclage)

1) C'est en effet là une particularité de la conception électronique : de nombreux « rebouclages » ou retour en arrière sont à prévoir

2)cette étape « finale » conduit parfois à un ou des retours en arrière comme le montre bien notre organigramme car des erreurs peuvent se manifester seulement au stade de l'essai de ce circuit imprimé

TIA
Proposed translations (English)
5 +3 redundant loops
3 +1 backtrack
4 feedback
3 loop
3 rework / rework loops

Discussion

RHELLER (asker) Sep 22, 2005:
and, as they say at award shows, you always end up forgetting someone! thanks also to Hac�ne and John :-)
RHELLER (asker) Sep 22, 2005:
I really appreciate the time and effort (and collegial spirit) you all have given this question - it did help (thanks to Jane, Jacques, Charlie and Richard) :-)
jacrav Sep 21, 2005:
if you don't use an English technical term that might be hard to understand for the "man on the street"�or woman ; ;))
jacrav Sep 21, 2005:
Because of the 2nd sentence, I would tend to think that, in the first one, the author is using "retour en arri�re" as an instant translation in everyday language for "rebouclage", which is the actual technical term. I don't think it needs translating �
RHELLER (asker) Sep 21, 2005:
Thanks Richard. I am not disputing that they are similar but there are TWO separate terms.
Richard Hedger Sep 21, 2005:
Yes, I noticed they were in the same sentence. Even the French sentence implies that "rebouclages" is the same as "retour en arri�re". From my experience "retour en arri�re" is the common term for feedback but then again I'm no expert.
RHELLER (asker) Sep 21, 2005:
Richard, did you notice that rebouclages and retour en arri�re are in the same sentence? Is brainytranslations a machine translation website?
RHELLER (asker) Sep 21, 2005:
thanks!interesting stuff guys, but I would really appreciate a ref for PCBs - these schematics will translate into hard-wired boards, not computer programs.

Proposed translations

+3
31 mins
French term (edited): retour en arri�re
Selected

redundant loops

it is not feedback here it is redundant loops in the programing as int hese examples:

The defect tolerant design incorporates redundant storage loops. ... The redundant
loop information is stored on-chip in the bootstrap loop along with an ...
www.wps.com/archives/Intel-bubble-memory/funcdes.html - 11k - Cached - Similar pages

APPENDIX A - Sun StorEdge 3510 FC Array Specifications
A.2.4 Firmware Redundant Loops. The selection of "drive-side dual-loop" is fixed.
Since two channels are used to connect a group of physical drives, ...
docs.sun.com/source/816-7300-15/appa_spec.html - 24k - Cached - Similar pages

[PDF] The Program Optimization Spectrum



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Note added at 48 mins (2005-09-21 20:02:45 GMT)
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For Hardware, it's Loopbacks

Compared to our familiar hardwired UART link, wireless RF has a number of ... It also has internal ***loopbacks***. It is very useful as a diagnostic tool during ...
www.seattlerobotics.org/ encoder/200304/donc/TwoWayRF.htm - 53k - Cached - Similar pages


NFI Forums :: View topic - NV30 different from other NV3x GPUs?... through arithmetic or texturing ) - and faster hardwired TnL likely ... but you can deaktive the loopbacks and the ... you have the scans from the basedesign diagrams. ...
www.notforidiots.com/forum/viewtopic. php?t=5&sid=55ccfef2194798fce1a27410b8668420 - 65k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages


[DOC] Document Number:File Format: Microsoft Word 97 - View as HTML
Additionally, beyond the appropriate hardwired equipment, the following items ... These can be on the basis of classical intrusive bit-stream loopbacks or, ...
www.dslforum.org/aboutdsl/TR-022.doc - Similar pages


That means they are wired redundantly...

Final: loopbacks



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Note added at 2 hrs 24 mins (2005-09-21 21:38:52 GMT)
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C'est en effet là une particularité de la conception électronique : de nombreux « rebouclages » ou retour en arrière sont à prévoir

That is indeed one of the particularities of electronic design: it features numerous "loopback" or redundancies....or redundant loops.

Peer comment(s):
agree Richard Hedger : On closer inspection I have to admit that this seems to be the appropriate term
18 mins
yes..because it concerns the hardware..feedback would be OK in some circumstances. Thanx for your graciousness.
agree Viktoria Gimbe : I wouldn't be surprised to sometimes find the term "looping" also.
30 mins
as long as we eschew loopy...:)
agree David Goward : If "retour en arrière" and "rebouclage" are synonymous - and I think they are in this case - then "loopback" is the word required, IMO.
8 hrs
Thanx David
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "I actually proposed loopback but indicated to the client that backtracking was another option - he simply responded that he was happy with the job :-) thanks Jane!"
+1
10 mins
French term (edited): retour en arri�re

backtrack

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Peer comment(s):
agree jacrav
47 mins
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9 mins
French term (edited): retour en arri�re

feedback

Feedback = retour en arrière. En technique FM, réinjection du signal de sortie sur l'entrée d'un opérateur. Sur un effet, par exemple un delay, réinjection du signal de sortie dur l'entrée, ce qui donne un effet de boucle, d'écho répété.



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http://ads.brainyquote.com/translations/fe/feedback280419.ht...

Check this out for the translation of "rebouclages" - its basically another term for feedback
Reference:

http://www.decibel.ch/list.php?letter=F

Peer comment(s):
agree Arthur Allmendinger
7 mins
Thank you for the confirmation
disagree Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X) : not here...this is about redundancy in networks and not feedback..
22 mins
Fair enough
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4 mins
French term (edited): retour en arri�re

loop

sometime referrd to as backtracking loop or backwards loop depending the field

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Note added at 6 mins (2005-09-21 19:21:16 GMT)
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http://www.sics.se/isl/quintus/qp/bas-efficiency.html

http://mind.sourceforge.net/oldcept.html

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have a look at this:
http://www.inscc.utah.edu/~smith/ResearchPapers/siam/siam.ht...
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1 hr
French term (edited): retour en arri�re

rework / rework loops

I tend to see things similarly to Richard and jacrav here - your 2 terms are describing one thing in 2 ways, and that thing is often known in projects as rework - having to go back and do something (i.e. a project stage that you had previously believed to be completed) again.

I think the author is just using 2 terms where one would do.
(I had previously thought that:
rebouclage - looping back, giving a line something like a horse-shoe shape in the path traced
and
retour en arriere - just going back, turn round 180 degrees and go back, the path traced being just a straight line, back then forth
but I'm no longer sure this distinction is necessary or valid here.)

I'm thinking in terms of:
1. ...much "going back on yourself" or rework is to be provided/planned for/anticipated
2. this "final" stage sometimes leads to one or more rework loops... (google it - there's plenty of PM refs )
Peer comment(s):
neutral Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X) : this is just French style ...they are not reworked loops they are loopback and reworking but not rework loops
46 mins
I think here we are seeing this in different ways - judging from your answer, yousee it as referring to the end-product, the hardware itself ; my answer is from the project management viewpoint. I can't tell from the context which it actually is....
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